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Mark Mazur's avatar

"Where are sheep there will be wolves."

Adam Singer's avatar

Our institutions are either corrupt or inept, unsure which is worse tbh

Jenny Logan's avatar

The thing is—and I hate to be so negative—but I see no appetite to really solve these problems. The corruption runs so deep, and the public just tolerates it - mostly because we are too worried about offending anyone ever with truth.

Sean Byrnes's avatar

The problem of government programs is that the government will never have the staff to administer their programs sufficiently. Especially now with the push for smaller government. So the choice is whether to do nothing, or do something with the risk of money being spent inefficiently or stolen. Generally, across the past few decades, we've accepted the latter as a better solution than the former.

Jenny Logan's avatar

I'm not sure if this is satire. The problem is that they exist entirely for the most part--not that they need to be bigger and more expensive. They are naturally inefficient and will always be targets for corruption. The problem with government programs is not that they do not have enough money or people--it's that they have no real oversight. One example (of thousands) is the DC public schools. They spend the most per pupil nationwide and have some of the worst outcomes. Government programs are largely a way to confiscate middle class wealth and enrich more favored groups in society who will then be loyal to the state. If this isn't obvious to everyone at this point I don't know what to tell you. We have indebted ourselves to infinity and are on the cliff of a debt crisis pretending that the problem is the people who want to reduce the bloated government.

Sean Byrnes's avatar

That can be your opinion, but it's not a popular opinion. There is plenty of oversight of government in the US in the form of elections, and we regularly vote out people we don't think are performing.

Max Roberts's avatar

Federal prosecutors should go after all parties in organisations that bilked the US Govt. Minnesota prosecutors should do the same for such parties that bilked MN.

Any who became naturalised should lose US citisenship (Quite doable) and be deported.

Processing all potential prosecutions and deportations will take an administrative production line.

When possible, money should be clawed back. Further aid to Somalia and Somali causes and any money in the pipeline should halt.

The US Govt might consider suing the State of MN. Criminal action against wilfully blind politicians and burocrats should be pursued. Watching corruption and not reporting it are both federal and state crimes. Any burocrats and office holders claiming not to see it, should be fired or recalled for unfitness to serve. Do any laws governing burocrats and politicians ever have such teeth? Probably not. Human leeches make sure any laws governing them are toothless.

Sean Byrnes's avatar

Why would someone lose their citizenship for committing a crime?

Max Roberts's avatar

Losing citisenship is not possible for those born US citisens. To which country would the US possubly ship them?

On. the other hand, deportation and loss of citisenhip are desirable and quite possible for foreign born who:

1 Falsified statements on their citisenship applications

2 Committed crimes after becoming citisens.

If Somali citisens or naturalised Somalis who took part in Minnesota's extensive fraud since Somali became cool, they can anlose citisenship and be deported. With more home-grown criminals than it can handle, the US needs no foreign criminals.

Sean Byrnes's avatar

You are right that if someone falsified part of their citizenship application it can be revoked. In fact, that's the only reason: https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-l-chapter-2

Once someone is a naturalized citizen they are as much a citizen as anyone else. There is no tiers of citizenship, and birthright citizens do not have additional rights beyond naturalized citizens. It's a shame that Trump/MAGA have convinced folks that citizenship is like a membership at a club that can be taken away. You can't deport your own citizens.

A naturalized citizen who commits a crime is a US criminal, not a foreign criminal.

Max Roberts's avatar

You are right. Thanks for pointing it out. We must keep one another straight or the discussion derails.

Unstick's avatar

There is a large proportion of Western society that believes that poor people can do no wrong; that they are structurally worked against by the rich and powerful. This is taught in schools and has permeated society. In reality, people are people, cultures are changeable, but only slowly, and incentives rule. NGOs and large government bureaucracies are not idealistic, altruistic entitities. Thank God for the 1st amendment and muckrakers.

Unstick's avatar

Why do governments have to provide the bulk of these services? Private charities and religious organizations did this for most of America’s history before FDR. Individuals have given up their responsibility to help their neighbors and to hold their neighbors accountable for the charity they receive.

Unstick's avatar

I’ll add corporate media into that axis…

Unstick's avatar

A large proportion of taxpayers are religiously attached to their left leaning parties and the NGO-bureaucratic axis these parties have cultivated.

Adam Singer's avatar

It's also sad because we of course should do things to help families and provide healthcare and services. It just needs to be done in a very accountable way. And the NGO-industrial complex certainly does not wish for scrutiny. As tax payers, we should be livid

Sunshine's avatar

Ive watched his videos on this subject, the scale of the fraud is unbelievable. It seems like noone ever checked on where this money was going , all it would taken was a drop by unscheduled visit. The scale is truly incomprehensible.

Sean Byrnes's avatar

It's not really an empathy exploit, more of a government problem. There is far more money stolen through military spending, and that certainly has nothing to do with empathy.

Adam Singer's avatar

Yes the military stuff is pretty wild, hopefully one day we can re-allocate that to better things