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Michael Mayday's avatar

Long rant, but I feel it's necessary. Part of the value that fact-checkers provide is that they often give context to a piece of misinformation or lie.

For example, this statement, which I assume is coming from ChatGPT:

"3. The Steele Dossier and Trump-Russia Collusion (2016–2019)

Initial Claim: Many outlets and fact-checkers treated claims from the Steele Dossier about Trump’s connections to Russia as credible and verified.

Reassessment: Subsequent investigations, including the Mueller Report and the Durham Report, found no evidence of collusion and discredited many of the dossier’s claims.

Criticism: Media outlets were criticized for amplifying unverified information, leading to years of political and public mistrust."

This seems just flat wrong. Why? Because the Muller team "didn't evaluate 'collusion' with the Russian government" during the course of its investigation. It simply wasn't a thing they looked into because collusion isn't a legal term (https://www.politico.eu/article/mueller-refutes-trumps-no-collusion-no-obstruction-line/). That context — which is crucial to understanding the story — is missing.

But even the premise of the claim — that "Many outlets and fact-checkers treated claims from the Steele Dossier about Trump’s connections to Russia as credible and verified," — is misleading. Again, the Mueller team didn't include the Steele Dossier in their investigation because they conducted their own investigation with primary sources.

The Mueller team didn't discredit the dossier because it wasn't in the scope of their task. This is akin to asking why a line chef didn't personally deliver a dish to a table. As for media outlets, that's how a news story evolves throughout its lifecycle (more on that in a minute).

The last line, "Media outlets were criticized for amplifying unverified information, leading to years of political and public mistrust," is just childish. Of course news organizations often run with unverified information in their stories. They even get facts wrong in their initial coverage!

This is because not all information is available to a journalist at the outset of a story. You have an allegation. You investigate. You publish that story and you keep investigating and publishing additional stories as the investigation evolves. You correct the story as new information is introduced. That's how news works. It's hard! And it's made even more difficult when there are a lot of competing interests in suppressing or spinning information — such as almost literally anything related to the Trump administration.

At this moment, I have two central issues with removing third-party fact-checkers. First, it places the onus of fact-checking on a community that's inherently media illiterate (https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/21/us/teaching-media-literacy-in-schools/index.html), which can easily lead to a sustained spike in disinformation.

Two, the trust that community notes add up to anything is entirely reliant on the social media network in the first place (see: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/10/30/elon-musk-x-fact-check-community-notes-misinformation/ AND https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoniopequenoiv/2023/07/25/twitter-deletes-fact-check-of-musk-connecting-bronny-james-cardiac-arrest-to-covid-vaccine/). If someone like Elon Musk, who has a vested interest in promoting a partisan narrative over verifiable information (read abstract: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025334119), then how is a casual user to get information from a reliable source in the first place? And, crucially, isn't weighing an algorithm a type of censorship to begin with?

This leads me to a tangential issue: social media networks are built to be manipulated since they're built for engagement over veracity. Facebook and Twitter make money off of selling ads — not by facilitating honest conversation. How can you easily sell more ads? By having your algorithms favor posts and media that drives engagement over the mundane truth. Which is sad.

I guess, in sum, this is a bad but predictable move by Facebook. It does nothing beneficial for its users while offering a fig leaf towards gaming engagement via algorithms.

Addendum:

Here's a good interview with three Mueller team members on the investigation writ large: https://www.npr.org/2024/09/24/g-s1-24189/mueller-investigator-says-russia-interfered-in-2016-and-in-the-2024-election-too

Relevant bits:

ZEBLEY: Well, in that instance, we said we did not find sufficient evidence of a conspiracy to charge a conspiracy. Collusion is not really a criminal violation. So we applied that term to mean conspiracy. And we ultimately said, look, we didn't find sufficient evidence to say there was a conspiracy. But we did say that the Russians interfered in the election with the intention of favoring Donald Trump because they perceived there'd be a benefit from a Trump presidency, and they interfered in a way to harm the other candidate, Hillary Clinton. And we also found evidence that the Trump campaign perceived it would benefit from some of the Russian conduct. For instance, they perceived they would benefit from the releases by Wikileaks, and at the time, Wikileaks was releasing information that the Russians had stolen from the Clinton campaign.

GROSS: There was also the infamous Trump Tower meeting where a Russian proposed to Don Jr. that this Russian had damaging information about Hillary Clinton that the Trump campaign could use and offered to have a meeting to hear about it. And Don Jr. agreed to do it. And so Don Jr., Eric Trump, and Paul Manafort, who was the campaign manager at the time, met with a couple of Russians. As it turns out, the Russians had their own agenda, but the fact that the Trump sons and campaign manager were willing to have that meeting, in terms of information, what did that tell you?

(made some edits in my post for clarity)

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James daSilva's avatar

I hesitate to take Meta at face value on anything, but I agree that the fact-checking industry has been distorted and overextended from the very specific (and valuable) role it's long had in journalism and other publishing. And it's quite possible the downstream effects of this reputation harm are worse than if there had never been high-profile fact-checking operations.

Obviously, the idea of fact-checking satirical content is ridiculous and pointless, as someone with a vested interest in this! (https://substack.com/@jamescooperdasilva/note/c-84443777)

I'd also argue that Biden's cognitive health (or Trump's in his 1st term) is an area where fact-checking isn't well-suited. It's one thing to accurately convey official doctor's records, etc., as is always done with presidents, but the armchair diagnoses over the past 8 years have been guesses at best, not factual analyses.

As for the inflation and COVID origins situations, those illustrate how fact-checking is used prematurely for ongoing situations. It's one thing to say, for instance, "So-and-so claimed China did COVID, of which there's not proof. Here is what we know about the possibilities." But too many of these went further, as you note, as if there wasn't more to learn.

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