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Michael Mayday's avatar

Okay, just thinking through this real quick. On one hand, I think you're playing into the old trope of pointing to the extremities as proof of a larger consensus. That is, you're taking the most extremes and are suggesting they are the norms.

For example, a third saying hate speech should be criminalized or that violence is acceptable to stop hate is an extreme — it's also far from the mean. (One thing I take exception to is the suggestion that shouting down invited speaker is inherently wrong: it's an expression of free speech itself and the free speech rights of the first speaker don't override those of anyone else.)

Here's an exceptionally good essay from someone I hold in high regard on the issues confronting "free speech culture." I think you'd find what they have to say interesting: https://www.popehat.com/p/how-free-speech-culture-is-killing-free-speech-part-one

For your third paragraph — and I cannot emphasize this enough — every. single. word. applies to Hillsdale College as well. This unwillingness to grapple with difficult conversations is not something born out of Marxism, but is likely more to do with tribalism and power dynamics.

Fully agreed with fourth graph.

Agreed with fifth graph with the addendum that: well, they're not wrong. Markets and our system of government *have* failed to provide a safety net. That they're open to a system that isn't great and has a long history of failure and oppression isn't ideal, but at a quick glance I'd say it's not much different than what we have now.

I'm not sure the sixth graph follows out of "we don't like hate speech." I also suspect the first sentence is an extension of taking the extremes as norms.

Seventh graph: I mean, I think that's just trying to damn all of society, man. I also think it's a caricature of higher education.

Completely agreed on last graph.

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AJDeiboldt-The High Notes's avatar

I don't think we can be surprised that a bunch of young people, whose future prospects for owning homes, having kids, and living normal comfortable lives have been fucked by greedmongers and the people who enable them, are amenable to a system and at least purports to be more just economically. I own a home and live a pretty great life, but watching as criminal fiance people get constantly get bailed out by the taxpayers (as opposed to home owners who were given predatory loans by those same finance people) really takes a toll on one's belief in capitalism. Even if the version of it we have isn't the best, it's still what's being sold as the justification for exploiting people and resources just to make a buck.

Communist systems are grossly inefficient and it's also worth noting that all the major communist/socialist figures died very rich men, so I'm not sure socialism is as different from capitalism in terms of result as people want to believe. There are winners and losers, but I can understand why young people would gravitate to that believing that at least they might have a better chance of being one of the winners.

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