The Uber comparison is spot-on. None of their innovations were beyond the reach of legacy taxi companies. They just didn't want to bother.
Even in foreign countries, you can usually ask a taxi driver, "How much to go to downtown?" and they'll quote you a price. So fixed-price trips were always doable.
I actually think all this infighting and discussion about Bari is the last shrieks of a dying media regime. None of these things matter, nobody cares what these so called journalists think- we all know them to really just be gatekeepers for the ruling class—hiding the bad, or promoting their agenda. I don’t know what the next decade looks like, but Bari cashed in to lead a dying institution through its end as far as I can tell (and no shame in that game, she was paid very well). But she isn’t going to save these outlets from their inevitable death.
It’s like Uber disrupting the taxi industry. The disrupter comes along and provides a better product to customers. The people love it. The legacy industry bosses hate it.
Yes, this is a really good account of what these attacks on Bari Weiss are about. Yes, this is about being threatened by competition! I find it shocking how many news organizations refuse to acknowledge or address declining trust. They discount what ought to be normal disagreement as the result of misinformation, bigotry, and stupidity.
So many people ignored the trust in media surveys (or simply don't talk to enough people to get feedback). Academia does the same thing but they are insulated from the market so it's gone on longer with less correction (but some correction is happening post Oct 7).
Can we see the context for this clip? I could not find it anywhere online and now I'm interested to see (all I found was a post on Threads without any citation to an actual clip or story containing it, not saying it couldn't exist but let's see). Notable TFP has done a lot of work / coverage of Ukraine over the years and I don't think it's been unfair. I have known Bari a long time and she is definitely not the villain I see some making her out to be, so I am hopeful for her to be positive for CBS. I understand this sentiment is not shared by some but maybe give them a year or 2 first and see.
Did Bari Weiss really say all those things or did Adam Singer fictionalise her saying them?
Bari Weiss tried to leave mainstream media because it is dying. She had to be blind not to notice.
Rather than stay in that bubble, she seems to want to encourage people who come under CBS or who interact with CBS to listen to other viewpoints, to understand them, then to explain how their beliefs work, and opposing beliefs don't.
If people do not insult and try drowning out others they disagree with, the best they usually manage is a frozen face, with clenched jaw as they try to remember what they want to insert next, then hopefully to demolish the other person as any kind of rational being who deserves to be on this planet.
Weiss has her work at CBS cut out. When do such people as work for CBS ever meet or talk civilly with others who hold different views?
I am much more concerned about "Derangement Derangement Syndrome", where y'all dismiss people you disagree with as deranged instead of considering the merits of their arguments. There are a lot of valid criticisms of Weiss, including that TFP was conservative media masquerading as neutral journalism. It's like Fox News pretending they are "Fair and Balanced".
But instead of that you pick anecdotes of extreme views and roll that up into an entire group that is "deranged" which immediately ends the conversation. You can't argue with that. It's completely removing the agency of everyone who disagrees with you.
If you want better discourse, be better discourse.
Well the people who post the conspiracy theory stuff about her are deranged - let's hope it's a small #! And The Guardian publishing that is a pretty large publication certainly worth responding to, it's not some random person's blog.
Sorry, no. TFP was not "conservative media." They just allowed conservative voices to be heard without the mandatory "but they're wrong of course!" after them, the same as non-conservative ones. Do you not see the difference?
Fox News does have left-wing people on, while the legacies pretend that theirs is the ONLY viewpoint.
If you think they are neutral that's likely because you lean conservative and confirmation bias was kicking in.
Fox News has left-wing people on much less often than other media have both sides on. I know folks that work there and they joke about how even they don't believe what they are asked to say on the air. It's a con.
BWDS: I like it.
You can tell that a new dog has entered the dog park when all the old dogs swarm him.
"You can't perform Journalism, Bari! Only WE can do that."
The Uber comparison is spot-on. None of their innovations were beyond the reach of legacy taxi companies. They just didn't want to bother.
Even in foreign countries, you can usually ask a taxi driver, "How much to go to downtown?" and they'll quote you a price. So fixed-price trips were always doable.
I actually think all this infighting and discussion about Bari is the last shrieks of a dying media regime. None of these things matter, nobody cares what these so called journalists think- we all know them to really just be gatekeepers for the ruling class—hiding the bad, or promoting their agenda. I don’t know what the next decade looks like, but Bari cashed in to lead a dying institution through its end as far as I can tell (and no shame in that game, she was paid very well). But she isn’t going to save these outlets from their inevitable death.
We do need a functional media, one way or another (both centralized institutions and decentralized independents). So I hope trust can be restored!
It’s like Uber disrupting the taxi industry. The disrupter comes along and provides a better product to customers. The people love it. The legacy industry bosses hate it.
Yes, this is a really good account of what these attacks on Bari Weiss are about. Yes, this is about being threatened by competition! I find it shocking how many news organizations refuse to acknowledge or address declining trust. They discount what ought to be normal disagreement as the result of misinformation, bigotry, and stupidity.
So many people ignored the trust in media surveys (or simply don't talk to enough people to get feedback). Academia does the same thing but they are insulated from the market so it's gone on longer with less correction (but some correction is happening post Oct 7).
Amen
Not sure how CBS Evening News saying this is going to restore trust:
“We’re not certain who’s responsible for the Ukraine war. Putin for invading, or Zelenskyy for refusing to cede their land.”
Can we see the context for this clip? I could not find it anywhere online and now I'm interested to see (all I found was a post on Threads without any citation to an actual clip or story containing it, not saying it couldn't exist but let's see). Notable TFP has done a lot of work / coverage of Ukraine over the years and I don't think it's been unfair. I have known Bari a long time and she is definitely not the villain I see some making her out to be, so I am hopeful for her to be positive for CBS. I understand this sentiment is not shared by some but maybe give them a year or 2 first and see.
Did Bari Weiss really say all those things or did Adam Singer fictionalise her saying them?
Bari Weiss tried to leave mainstream media because it is dying. She had to be blind not to notice.
Rather than stay in that bubble, she seems to want to encourage people who come under CBS or who interact with CBS to listen to other viewpoints, to understand them, then to explain how their beliefs work, and opposing beliefs don't.
If people do not insult and try drowning out others they disagree with, the best they usually manage is a frozen face, with clenched jaw as they try to remember what they want to insert next, then hopefully to demolish the other person as any kind of rational being who deserves to be on this planet.
Weiss has her work at CBS cut out. When do such people as work for CBS ever meet or talk civilly with others who hold different views?
I am much more concerned about "Derangement Derangement Syndrome", where y'all dismiss people you disagree with as deranged instead of considering the merits of their arguments. There are a lot of valid criticisms of Weiss, including that TFP was conservative media masquerading as neutral journalism. It's like Fox News pretending they are "Fair and Balanced".
But instead of that you pick anecdotes of extreme views and roll that up into an entire group that is "deranged" which immediately ends the conversation. You can't argue with that. It's completely removing the agency of everyone who disagrees with you.
If you want better discourse, be better discourse.
Well the people who post the conspiracy theory stuff about her are deranged - let's hope it's a small #! And The Guardian publishing that is a pretty large publication certainly worth responding to, it's not some random person's blog.
10,000x this.
Sorry, no. TFP was not "conservative media." They just allowed conservative voices to be heard without the mandatory "but they're wrong of course!" after them, the same as non-conservative ones. Do you not see the difference?
Fox News does have left-wing people on, while the legacies pretend that theirs is the ONLY viewpoint.
That wasn't an opinion, it's a fact that's been studied: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart
If you think they are neutral that's likely because you lean conservative and confirmation bias was kicking in.
Fox News has left-wing people on much less often than other media have both sides on. I know folks that work there and they joke about how even they don't believe what they are asked to say on the air. It's a con.
Maybe "fair and balanced" just means "missing the sneering elites who despiise you."
No, they are just targeting a group of folks who prefer confirmation of their existing beliefs over uncomfortable truths.
“uncomfortable truths”. ROFL.
“a group of folks who prefer confirmation of their existing beliefs” — project much?
Nope, this is another thing that has been well studied: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8172130/
You're assuming my statements are opinions. There are plenty of studies that back them up, I'm not a liberal nor a Democrat.