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Tom White's avatar

Any self-contradictory ideology will eventually come to resemble the ouroboros in word and deed.

epistemically_responsible's avatar

The problem with US folks is that they think they understand how the world operates - whether it be left or right from an America-centric perspective... shouting at Washington Square Park comfortably while the world burns has not made a speck of difference for anyone... these people dont even know what happens on the front line.

Adam Singer's avatar

I encourage people to make friends with those all around the world (thanks to the internet, this is very possible) to get a broader perspective

IPHawk's avatar

A global return to the center and ditching the ultra right / left wing nutbags would be a very great thing.

Sean Byrnes's avatar

Honestly, this piece is a bunch of things you threw into a pot and tried to create a narrative from. The only thing Venezuela and Iran have in common is their hatred of the US, and most of that is derived from the sanctions we've had on both countries for a very long time. And somehow DEI is involved ? I mean, seriously.

Adam Singer's avatar

The islamo-leftist alliance (and leftist-socialist dictatorship alliance more broadly) is very real, there's entire books on this, we witness it daily in the real world, in social and in the media. Most of the Venezuelans and Iranians want freedom from their oppressors while people in places thousands of miles away protest (freq on the side of terrorists) or in some cases ignore the atrocities (we don't see the same outrage about Iran as we do in Palestine as a really clear example of this).

Some light reading summarizing although you can of course do your own research:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09546553.2012.755815

https://www.milsteinff.org/the-islamo-leftist-alliance-threatening-jews-and-the-us/

https://www.telosinstitute.net/pubs/papers/op5-taguieff.pdf

Sean Byrnes's avatar

Yes, but that is not Venezuela! You're doing it again, trying to tie together things that aren't related through a strange semantic sleight of hand.

Adam Singer's avatar

Just watch video of the Venezuelan protests you'll see plenty of "free Palestine" flags. All the pro-Palestinian/pro Hamas accounts, influencers and leftist extremists were reflexively pro-Maduro. Everything is an attempt to advance praxis. I think it's easy to see just look at these situations from the standpoint of what would benefit the west, or perhaps bring another country more in-line with Western values, and you'll see the same people on the opposing side of it.

Sean Byrnes's avatar

No, you're way mis-using "leftist" and generalizing from a few fringe activists to an entire movement (and then an entire country!). Venezuela was (still is) a dictatorship which is neither right nor left. Whether fringes of any group support them doesn't say anything about a larger trend.

I have bad news for you about the fringes of the conservative movement and what they support these days.

Caroline's avatar

No “leftists” are wringing their hands over the extremist mullahs governing Iran. Are you conflating liberals who say “Islamic people aren’t inherently bad and women have a right to wear the hijab” with support of Iran’s theocracy?

Adam Singer's avatar

Normal liberals should support the Iranian people that's true. The Islamo-leftist alliance influencers are posting conspiracy theories that the Jews are responsible for the revolution and so you should be on the side of the theocracy. It's very possible you are just not exposed to this but it's in a lot of places.

Caroline's avatar

It’s true, I have seen that. These folks are stuck in binary thinking. I reject that, which is why I read your non-marketing posts (I do love the marketing posts). I disagree with some of what you write, but I enjoy seeing alternate POVs to what I’m reading in my neutral and left wing publications. As long as it’s backed up with evidence.

Adam Singer's avatar

Thanks Caroline - I do feel like marketing is mostly a 'solved' problem at this point and other subjects are way more interesting to explore. Glad you're here with us btw - and disagreement is always encouraged