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David Shapiro's avatar

My hypothesis is that many doomers have unaddressed trauma. "Catastrophic thinking" is actually a symptom of PTSD.

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Justin Patrick Moore's avatar

I think R. Buckminster Fuller had it wrong when he wrote his book "Utopia or Oblivion." Both are two binary extremes, and I think both are wrong. We are no more all going to be elevated to some pure utopian situation anymore than we are all going to die and become zombies in some nuclear apocalypse. Both are fantasies. Yet, I still believe we've already hit peak oil...

That's why we had to move to things like fracking, because all (or a lot) of the other oil that was easier to get had already been gotten. Otherwise, why put more resources, into extracting less resources? That's where we've gotten in our extraction of something with just a finite supply that our societies energy system is based on...

Limits are something that give beauty and shape to things, and there are real Limits to Growth. That book got it right, in my opinion. But it is true, that just because civilizations and nations rises and fall, and have their own life span in the same way that a person grows, matures, and then dies, doesn't mean you have to give in to utter doom. If your own mortality doesn't cause you to always be in a state of despair (it might for the transhumanist, Ray Kurzweil crowd), and if you can still be optimistic knowing there will eventually be a shuffling off of this mortal coil, then I think the same is true about the things doomers are worried about. Many of which they have at least some reason to be worried about. You can accept the reality of the problems and issues in our civilization though, and still cultivate humor and optimism. Even if you think, as I do, that industrial civilization and the cult of infinite progress itself has a limited life span.

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